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Below is an editorial relating to open adoptions. Read and respond as before: get your first one up today and the next two tomorrow.
A Civil Right: Adoptees Should Have Access to Their Birth Certificates
What's Your ReactionAt the beginning of the 1900s, grim predictions punctuated the debate over women's suffrage. Everyone in the family unit would be damaged in innumerable ways if this outrage were allowed to happen, argued the critics, some of whom went so far as to predict the end of civilization itself.
Half a century later, another historic social change was in the offing, and the warnings of impending disaster were at least as dire. Indeed, some opponents of the movement to extend civil rights to people of color in our country were so sure that personal and social ruin were lurking around the corner that they fought with filibusters, nooses and guns to maintain the status quo.
Forecasting the future evidently is a difficult thing to do. Looking back is obviously easier, and it leads to two unambiguous conclusions. First, whether the effort is to give women the vote, provide African-Americans with equal rights, create access for people with disabilities -- or level the playing field for any other discriminated-against segment of the population -- there will be nay-sayers who insist that horrible things will occur if the sought-after change is allowed to transpire. Second, they will be wrong.
No, this is not a commentary about "don't ask, don't tell" or any other gay rights issue, though the identical observations would certainly apply. Rather, it's about providing legal and moral equality for a segment of our population that is not generally perceived as deprived of any rights: the approximately 7 million Americans who were adopted into their families. And the right denied to most of them is so basic that it almost sounds like a joke: access to their own original birth certificates.
There are lots of reasons that adopted people want the same documents, containing the same information, that the rest of us take for granted. Some have medical motives, including individuals who need a matching organ or information about an inherited disease; others want to know about their heritage or genealogy (anyone remember Alex Haley?) or why their eyes are green or what their original names were; and many yearn to see the faces of the women and men who gave them life.
At the bottom line, however, those are not the reasons it should matter to everyone that adopted people, on reaching the age of majority, cannot automatically obtain their own original birth certificates like the rest of us. We should care, and we should feel outraged, for the same reason so many men supported suffrage for women and so many white Americans joined the civil rights struggle -- because we should find it offensive when any minority group in society is deprived of equal rights.
Here's where the nay-sayers come in. Honest-to-goodness, the following are among the consequences they say will occur if state legislatures give adult adoptees the right to access their original birth certificates: The number of adoptions in our country will fall, the number of abortions will rise, the lives of women who were promised lifelong anonymity when they placed their children for adoption will be ruined and, yes, adoption itself will be in peril.
Research in the field, including by the independent, nonpartisan think tank that I head, refutes or calls into serious question every one of those claims; here you can read the latest report on the subject.
Equally important, this is not a guessing game or a social experiment. During the last decade, more than a half-dozen very diverse states in terms of geography and politics -- from Oregon to Alabama to Maine -- have done what the nay-sayers warned them not to do, and two states -- Alaska and Kansas -- never sealed these documents, as most of the nation did in the last century. Guess what calamitous fallout there has been in these states.
None.
Will some people face difficult or unexpected situations, or even get hurt, as a result of extending this right from coast to coast? Almost certainly, but we know from research, experience and official statistics (in the above states) that the numbers of those adversely affected will be tiny -- and we should do all we can for them by taking steps such as providing public notice, offering counseling, and giving women who placed their children for adoption the ability to officially declare if they do not want to be contacted.
Is this issue as important as women's rights or civil rights or disability rights or gay rights? Maybe or maybe not, but it's not a contest to see which group should get rights and which should not. Besides, this much is certain: Every additional day, month and year that original birth certificates remain sealed, some more adoptees and birth parents who want or need to find each other will give up instead, and some more will die, without ever filling the hole in their hearts.
So it sure does feel important to the people who are deprived. And if we understand that it's about equality and social justice for another group of Americans -- 7 million of them -- maybe we'll feel it, too.
Adam Pertman is Executive Director of the Evan B. Donaldson Adoption Institute and author of "Adoption Nation: How the Adoption Revolution is Transforming Our Families - and America," which is scheduled for release in April and has been reviewed as "the most important book ever published on the subject."
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ReplyDeleteTyrese Bryant
ReplyDeleteJanuary 11, 2011
The shooting in Arizona over the weekend showed us that this country is in a serious divide and that something must happen fast to truly unify Americans. In this situation you can’t go around playing the blame game, I think that Democrats and Republicans the tea party movement, all of these political groups continue to push separation instead of unification in America. Rep. Gifford’s unfortunately had to pay the price of this, but hopefully this incident will show our country that there is a need now to change the way this place works and functions. Yes we don’t know what was the reason for this 22-year old to open fire on innocent, yes innocent people but if you think and realize it all will make since.
Willie Jones III
ReplyDeleteI believe that adopted children should have the right to their birth certificate when they become an age where they can handle it themselves. I believe this because they might want to know more about where they came from and where they get their characteristics as a person. Such as why the have blue eyes or brown etc. also I don’t think its right because some adoption parents might keep this information from the person that was adopted and the people will never get the chance to look for their real parents or learn any information about them. I believe that every child should have the right to know their real mother and father even if they were raised by other people they still should have the right to meet their real parents. Everybody deserves equal right to everything our world offers.
I completely agree with this article. Adoptees should be able to access their birth certificates and personal information just like everyone else. Maybe even more so since most adoptees want to learn more about where they come from at some point in their life. When someone wants to learn about their family history they can just ask their grandparents. But adopted kids can’t do that. There is only so much an adoptive parent can tell a child about where they come from; when an adoptive child reaches adulthood they have a right to discover things about themselves. Without a birth certificate or adoptive information this could be near impossible. Granted, some mothers want to stay unknown when they give away a child, but there are also many who hope to someday see that child again. It should be made clear what the mother’s position is when adoptive children are given their birth certificate, and that child should respect those wishes. But this article is right; allowing adoptees to access their birth certificate will not destroy society. It will not bring the world to an end and it will not stop people from adopting. The only major effect this will have is the power to bring families together and give people the chance to find peace with themselves.
ReplyDeleteShanay Baxter
ReplyDeleteAdoption is a very sensitive matter that most people take strong offense to if represented or discussed in a harsh way. The millions of children who are adopted by other caring people, everyday and or year for that matter are always grateful. They have a family to call their own now, who takes care of them and loves them as if they were their blood family. Because the care and sympathy these adoptive parents show for these children significantly affect their lives forever. Although they are happy and comfortable in the house they call their own, I’m pretty sure all adoptees wonder and are curious as to who their birth parents are and why they gave them up in the first place. If they have no contact or information on these birth parents, it could cause more worry and concern for the child. In the matter of birth certificates being distributed to the adoptees, I feel that it would only be right if that happened. Everyone has the right to his or her own certificate; which serves as the basic mandatory identity for adult-hood. When one goes to get their license and or passport, it is permitted to have. In other manners if the adoptees wants to have a relationship with their birth parents the birth certificate will be useful in this manner. As well as for the health of them; if they have a genetic disorder or need a transplant of some sort. A family member would be needed for this, where no one else will be able to help. Simply having ownership to ones own birth certificate is definitely necessary for live survival.
I agree that people who have been adopted should have the rights to their birth certificate when they become adults. While some may not want to know or see their birth certificates, to others finding out who they are is really important to them. People may not see this issue as at the same level as gay rights or women’s rights but like Adam Pertman said, “…it's not a contest to see which group should get rights and which should not.” I believe that people deserve the chance for rights equal to everyone else no matter how small or large the issue is. And what some people might not understand is that to those adopted people who want the right to their information it is a large issue.
ReplyDeleteIt isn't quite clear as to what position the article is taking on the issue of whether or not adoptees should be able to receive their birth certificate. However I think that they should and it is indeed an issue of civil rights. People often keep secrets for their own selfish reasons and that is wrong. I completely understand why parents would want to hide their identity from the children they gave up but they have to realize how traumatizing that can be for their child, not knowing and that feeling of longing. That can lead to suicide or a life of violence because one has so much rage because they feel abandoned. The article mentions abortion and adoption rates and the lives of mothers promised anonymity being ruined. What about the ruined lives of the children? I agree that if the parents requests not to be contacted by the child that should be there right or even if some minor things like a first name is left out of the birth certificate, at least then they can get some sense of closure or self identity. But keeping their birth certificate from them all together is just cruel.
ReplyDelete-Nautica Lawrence
Response to Willie Jones
ReplyDeleteI agree with everything you have said; I wrote the same in my response. I feel that everyone does have the right to know their family origin, like exactly who are their parents and get to know them as people themselves. They may be happy with their adoptive parents but surely they would want to know who they were the child of, initially. Birth certificates should be given to the adoptee when they are old enough because they are a necessity in their lives as adults. I left out the part you mentioned with the adoptive parents being secretive, i feel that that could be a issue with this situation as well.
Response to Willie Jones III:
ReplyDeleteYou bring up many other valid reasons for why a child should have the right to their birth certificates. A child should be able to know where they get the characteristics they have from. They should be able to know exactly why their not like the parents that raised them. Having your original birth certificate is indeed a right. Everybody in this world should be treated equally. This includes those who have been adopted being treated like those who are not. Just like someone who isn't adopted has their original birth certificate, someone who is adopted should get that same right.
To be completely honest this seems like a ridiculous thing to write about. Why would anyone not be allowed to see their birth certificate, to protect someone who did not want their child? Ok they may not want to be put in the position of meeting the kid they left. I know sometimes there are good reasons but that person should get to see their birth certificate. This seems like common sense how can you tell someone you cannot see your birth certificate. That is almost like telling someone they can not know when their birthday is, who has the right to say whether or not you can see something that is the record of your birth. People deserve to know who their parents are and how they came to be, even if the original parents do not want that. It must be a stressful situation to not know where you’re from what your real parents names are. No one is saying that everyone who is adopted will want to know who their real parents even are they might not care because they were loved by their real “parents” the ones who were meant to have them. So I do not see why this is even an issue so what people may be put in a weird place facing things they may not want to, people have the right to know that is what we fought for the right to have knowledge.
ReplyDeleteIt is such in this event that a man has attempted to kill Congresswoman, and this act has led many Americans to be shocked and saddened about. It is this event that would lead many people to unite because of such things like other traumatic events like the attacks on September 11th, 2001. This young man had tried to kill a political leader, but for what reason? Maybe he was trying to show his political ideas that Congresswoman Giffords isn't the right choice for the government, thinking that she isn't the right kind of person to be in Congress. Possibly, he's trying to get the attention of the entire country for a political reason. However, it is odd that his Loughner's actions quite immediate and surprising by the fact that the people who are usually with him like family and friends not making suspicions actions, he looked like a normal person. Maybe Loughner is trying to say to the nation is that change is needed, and the way to get that message out was to try and kill a political leader. For whatever reason, the nation has seen what Loughner has done, and we will mourn and unite to those who have been a victim to the Tucson attack.
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ReplyDeleteI actually never knew that adopted children do not have access to their birth certificates. I have never thought of my own birth certificate as a luxury or as something deprived form others. I see no reason at all that they should be kept from adoptees. There is no reason that the truth of their birth should be kept from them. Without a doubt they should be turned over. I understand that a parent that gives their child away has their reasons but the child has a right to know what their reason was. Most people do not really ever think about birth certificates and adopted children. Everyone has a right to see his or her birth certificates
ReplyDeleteThis is a very difficult issue to give a response to because both sides do make valid points. Do children have the right to know what and where they came from? And do birth mothers have the right to remain silent and a mystery? I think both of these questions can be answered and solved, there must be a system created where the identity of the mother be sealed and this means she if she chooses cant come back 30 years later wanting to know where her child is, her decision was made when she gave birth and unfortunately what ever it is they have to stick by it. On the other side to the children who some will grow up and wonder where the other part of them are because most probably feel this way at some point, that they have to go on that search. The adoptees must understand that the road they take to find there birth mother a light will be at the end, it may be darkness and sadness and an outcome may never come. So states should provide birth mothers with the option to have there identity never known and states should provide adoptees with the proper information to find themselves if the mothers identity was not sealed and to fill the void that they have in there lives.
ReplyDeleteWillie Jones III
ReplyDeleteI agree with Celia Bostock response because when adoptees become older it is normal for them to want to know more about themselves and where they come from. We shouldn’t keep this part of their lives from them because they might want to know why their mothers gave them up for birth and finding this out could possibly make them a better person. If their mothers do let them know they don’t want to meet them or reunite when they get older the adoptee should respect that and leave that part of their lives in the past and move on. Most likely though mothers would want to reunite with their child so they can explain what happened and why they did what they did. Also to have a future relationship with them for the rest of their lives.
I absolutely agree with this article’s argument, saying adoptees should have the right to access their original birth certificate. It shouldn’t even be an issue whether or not they should be able to obtain this document, which may contain valuable information. If the adoptee develops some medical issue later in life, it would be very helpful to know what, if any diseases or conditions exist in their birth family in order to diagnose and treat them better. One of the naysayers’ arguments against this privilege is that the lifelong anonymity of the women who put their children up for adoption is no longer protected. I think in certain situations, such as having a child due to rape, the mother should be protected to some extent, but her identity or at least medical history should be released to the child and their doctors. I feel like in a lot of adoption cases, the child is given up because the mother cannot financially and or emotionally support the child, but still would like to bring them into this world and give them a decent shot at life. So I think these women would rather have their identity released than later hear news of their child developing some awful disease that runs in the family and not being diagnosed until it was too late. The women, who chose to have a child but give it away because it was an inconvenience to them, or not in their “plan”, do not deserve to have their privacy protected. It was their choice to not be sexually responsible, and to not have an abortion. It is morally wrong and extremely self-centered to bring a child into this world just to save yourself the guilt, if you choose not even to offer something as small as your name to them.
ReplyDeleteIn response to Elena
ReplyDeleteI agree to those who would like to know where they came from and why they were given up, this issue is huge. They should have the right to know without a stupid rule telling them what they can and cannot see. If it is about them then they should have the right to know what it says. The comment you made about people thinking this issue is not as huge as gay rights or women's rights was true too, because to them they feel like their rights are taken away a little to because everyone else gets to have their birth certificates while they have to sit there without one
You can't be on any side for this situation because you don't know why the parents put there kids up for adoption. Some parents actually put there kids on adoption for the sake of the child. If there lives aren't going well a baby will not help them out. If they don't have a home or they are addicted to a drug like crack or heroin why would you even want to put a baby in that situation. So they put there kids up for adoption so the kids can better there own lives. But if it is a medical issue and they need to find out than they should have the right to know.
ReplyDeleteResponse to Celia:
ReplyDeleteI agree that women who give their children up for adoption should make it clear whether they mind being contacted by their child later in life or not. For those women who wish to remain anonymous, their children should respect that wish even if they don't like it. For those who don't care, their children should be able to have access to their birth certificate and all of the information that they can get through it if they wish. This is an issue where it should be able to come down to personal choice instead of keeping birth certificates from all adopted people, no matter the situation.
Angelee Ortiz
ReplyDeleteAfter reading this article I feel that this civil right is not more important as women right, disability rights, or gay right, but I will admit that it is kind of important as to people’s feelings. This is something that shouldn’t take long to debate over, because if it’s the adoptees wish to their birth parents, they should be able to do that. They are taking that risk of getting hurt, or be in an awkward situation; if they get hurt it’s on them. When adoptees are first adopted they are very grateful for having loving and caring people, but eventually as they get older and more mature they would like to know where they really came from and why they are not there now. Everyone has a right to their own birth certificate, so adoptees should to their original birth certificates. No one should go through life wondering whom they really are if they don’t want to. People need their real documents for life, such as a passport or a license. People also have a right the their medical records; adoptees want to know if they are healthy or not. Like said before, this may not be that big of an issue as others, but its not a competition; even though this may not be a big matter to other people but to the adoptees finding out who they really are and where they come from is huge to them. No one is saying that every adoptee will want to know about their past or where they come from or who their real parents are because some adoptees are happy with the parent or parents they have now. Its really not going be the end of the world if adoptees have the right to view their past.
Response to Nautica
ReplyDeleteI like what your response says, simply because i didn't think of the things you said. I feel that it would be traumatizing to the child's birth parent to keep in contact as they have lost their parenthood to this child. But, on the other hand i feel it the child's right to know who their parents are, because they would want to know them for themselves and have some sort of relationship with them.
To Medina Abdi
ReplyDeleteI agree with you the child should have the right to find out where they came from, but where do the mothers choice come in to play. Yes she gave the child away, yes that was a major choice but when a child is born a mother is the one to make the choices and if she chooses to have her identity and there birth certificate away from them she did it all in good intentions most likely.
In response to Medina's previous comment:
ReplyDeleteYes it is true that all people can "float through life." However, it is the "way the float" is what makes a difference. People can live very normally, but can have very different ways in viewing government, and how they live can affect how people may want deal and solve this problem. For example, this attack can be compared to many previous political assassinations, like Abraham Lincoln, or John F. Kennedy. All people seem normal, it's how they act is what makes the difference.
It doesnt seem like it should be a problem for People who are adopted to be able to acess their birth certificates. They are like everyone else whos identity is partially defined by thier ancestors and especially thier parents. It might be best for the child's adopted parents to have acess at least beacuse they can preview their information in case there is some information they might want to keep from thier child until an later age or time or circumstances.
ReplyDeleteI agree with this article, it seems perposterous that anyone is unable to access their birth certificates, especially if they were born in America in the first place. I always assumed the birth certificate was given to the adoptive parents, or that a another type of document of similar use was given to them. If birth parents to not wish to be contacted, there should be a legal agreement made at the time of the adoption. The least you can do for your child that you can not or will not keep is to provide them with a genetic background or document. It could save lives and dramatically improve some people's circumstances.
ReplyDeleteResponse to Celia:
ReplyDeleteI agree that it is more of a good thing than a bad thing for people to have access to thier birth certifcates. That whole bit about abortion rates rising is just ridiculous, the type of people who choose to have their babies probably do so because they are against abortion or are too pregnant to have them. It is not about the mothers rights either, it is about the childrens right to find out about where they came from. Perhaps it is not just their birth mother they are looking to contact, they may want to know if they have siblings or not. Having access to their birth certificates might help them fill a deep hole in themselves.
Response to Medina:
ReplyDeleteI feel the same way; I never considered myself lucky to have a birth certificate. I can't understand why they are withheld in the first place, it seems like common sense that a child be in possesion of their birth certificate. If parents are worried about being contacted, they can choose to not pick up the phone or arrange a meeting. The parents can say "no" to an attempt at contact, but the child should still have the option in the first place.
I most definitely agree that adoptees have the right to have their birth certificates once they reach a certain age. I feel that it’s their right to have it because your birth certificate is a very important document. Our birth certificates are used in many cases, especially during big medical procedures. If an adoptee needs an organ donor, without their birth certificate their left in a very tough predicament. Also many adoptees want to know where their family came from and different things about their history. Just as we have access to our certificates so should they.
ReplyDeleteThere has also been much concern with this issue mostly dealing with the confidentiality of the birth parents. If this issue is passed I think there should be certain stipulations in order for this to take place. Firstly, the child has to be of legal age in order to retrieve the documentation, either 16 or 17 yrs. Secondly, both the child and parent has to come to a mutually agree that it is okay to hand over the certificate. However, if the parent is deceased then rights to the certificate is handed over to the child.
Response to Angelee
ReplyDeleteIt may not seem as important as other civil rights such as women’s rights. The only reason that is because there is no attention on adopted children and they are not being hurt. In other civil rights cases people were discriminating against a person because of something about them that they were born with and could not change. In the case of not allowing adopted children the right to see their birth certificate is denying millions of people a basic document that everyone has. No civil rights case is more important than another. They are all cases to try and give people the same basic rights as anyone else for instance the right to vote or work. This case is just as important and what makes it worse is that most people do not know or care about this problem.
Joseph Gleason
ReplyDeleteResponse to article.
I believe that adopted children have the right to discover who their birth parents are if they so choose. However I believe that their parents have a right to withhold that information if they so choose.
I think that the law should allow for adopted children to view their birth certificate, but if the child is under 18 then the parents should be required to give their consent to allow the record to be viewed. This would allow the children to learn about their birth parents. The birth parents should be allowed to remain anonymous if they so choose.
Molly Howe:
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I think that adoptees should not have the right to their own birth certificates when they become of age because the blood parents of the adopted child may not want to be identifed or in their lives. You don't know the circumstances of why the mother gave up their child, it could have been something like teen pregnancy where they aren't ready or something like drugs. I think that if the birth certificate was given to the child and the mother doesn't want to be identified the rights of that dicision would be overrode or if the adoptees' parents don't want to "share" the child their rights would be overrod. At 18 though, if the child still wants to know their parents they can do so.
BY LEAH GARDINER
ReplyDeleteI completely agree with this article as a human being they should have the right to their birth certificate and all their own info if they so choose! This is their identity we are talking about and you can’t take that away. Just because they are adopted doesn’t mean they are different from any other person on this planet and they should be treated like every other person on this planet. It’s absolutely crazy that they would keep this from the adoptees. While the issue of whether the adoptees would as a result of getting this info try and find their blood relatives is their choice and doesn’t mean that all of them are going to run out and try to find them. Overall this is an absolute outrage to even consider that these people don’t have a right to their own personal information.
To get a drivers' license, you need a birth certificate. To get an education, you need a birth certificate and to travel, you need a birth certificate. Why wouldn't adopted children be allowed to have access to their own personal information? A birth certificate is the most important piece of paper a person will ever have and its idiotic to keep that information from a person just because they are adopted. Whether they are of age or not, if a child wants to have their birth certificates with the names of their original parents names on it, then they should have access to that information. It’s unfair to keep that from them.
ReplyDeleteI feel like the topic of adoption and the rights of adoptees is a very large gray area. There are many pros and cons to adoptees being able to access there birth documents. Although in theory it makes sense that adoptees receive the same rights as every one else in the United States them receiving that information would most likely cause a big problems. When parents choose to put their children up for adoption they have the choice of having an open or closed adoption. In an open adoption the birth parents and the adopter parents have an agreement and terms in which the birth parents have some sort of contact with their children. In a closed adoption the birth parents decide that they do not want any contact with the child and give up the rights to a relationship with the child. It is the birth parents choice! I understand that the adoptees would be curious or have a need to find their birth parents, but their birth parents choose a life from them that must be respected.
ReplyDeleteIn response to Espigas
ReplyDeleteThe adopted children still get a birth certificates, its not like they aren’t allowed to any of their personal information. Their birth certificates and files just don’t disclose certain facts like the name of their birth parents, but rather their adopted parents. This makes it possible if the adopted parents wish to not even tell their children that they were adopted in the first place. Like I said in my original statement, I don’t believe it should be up to the government how these matters are handled but rather handled with the birth parents and adopted parent. They should be the ones to choose how much information the child knows and what is disclosed to them.
Michael Radney
ReplyDeleteThere are obviously many reasons why some people decide to put their child up for adoption. I believe it is only right that an adoptee is able to have its own birth certificate. When a baby is born in a hospital they are given a birth certificate, so it is theirs. The thing is that maybe the parent does not want her son/daughter to find them and the down side is that this thought may lead to more abortions. There is a law for this that says that that the adopted child can get their birth certificate at age 18. I say that’s too late because at that age there is a lot of thing going like on college, graduation, etc so the age should be brought down to 16.
Wow, this is a very difficult topic to discuss. I mean the way the article was written its opposing the right to make birth certificates unavailable. I'm pretty sure if the article was written in a view where not having birth certificates made the child's life better and more beneficial, more people would not opposed the idea. Putting my shoes in the parent's who gave their child away, i would probably only want my child to have the best life they possibly can, without me in it, if i had a legitimate reason for giving my child up. Such as if i had a child at this age, i would give my child to a adopted family that i trusted and i would make it a closed adoption. Reason being that i don't want my child to come up to me in later years, crying, asking and complaining why i didn't decided to keep them as my own. Rejection does not work well with anybody; and then once my child met me she would still be filled with this empty hole in his/her heart, asking themselves why they weren't good enough, when really and truly i just wasn't able to handle a child in my life in that given time. Even after i met them i would be so distant from them, a good healthy relationship would be un able to occur. Jasmine and I had a very deep heart to heart about the situation, and we came to the conclusion that it is impossible to decide whether children should have proper access to their birth certificate, but then again what if it was i looking for my parents?
ReplyDeleteOf America’s greatest attributes I believe that family and individuality are among the greatest and most important. The author of this article states many reasons why providing those who are adopted with their birth certificate would be beneficial for the country but there seemed to be one main point against this. This was that without the assurance that their identity would remain confidential women would not want to carry through with this. Regardless of whether or not this would lead to more abortions it seems selfish to me that after producing a child this child would have no choice whether or not they would be able to connect or even know who you are. Assuming that it was the mothers choice to have child and she was a not a victim and then deciding to retain her identity seems to be too may decisions made for a child with no idea yet what the determined for him.
ReplyDeleteAdoption is a very touchy subject. I personally have someone in my family that is adopted but I’ve never asked him about his family but I always wondered did he ever think about his family. Watching movies and reading about adoption makes it seem as to it’s a bittersweet situation. Although you may be taking a child out of a dangerous environment the parent is losing a part of them. So the real question is does a adopted child have the right to know about their birth parent or family history. I think that a child in any type of situation should know their family history from their adopted family and birth family but it’s always a time and place for everything, maybe when they are in their twenties or are mature enough to handle that type of information. If exposed to this too much at a young age they might just go off and try to find their parent even if they had a troubled path. You shouldn’t hide what they are.
ReplyDeleteResponse to Sage…
ReplyDeleteI totally agree with everything you said. No one should be sold short of their history. Some women do choose if they want to have an open or closed adoption but after they choose this they actually realize that they want their child. I think that some adopted children have abortions in fear that they will turn out like their birth mothers like drug children end up being drug addicts themselves it’s like a domino effect. Life is hard but you have to make the best of it even if your mom was a junkie that didn’t raise you the smartest thing for her to do was give you away. God sends blessings in weird ways.
In response to Medina:
ReplyDeleteI agree with you I never viewed the right to see my birth certificate as something amazing or sepcial, it always seemed like something that belonged to me. The right to have a see, or hold your own birth certificate is a right any and everyone should be able to have it is only fair.
This topic will obviously be highly debated on both sides and I'm sad to say that I have to represent both; I'm just that type of person that can actually put myself in other's shoes rather than pretend. On one hand I say that people who are adopted should have a right to their birth certificate despite the fact that it has their birth parents name on it. For one, it belongs to that person, indefinetly. For two, I have heard the argument that a child wouldn't know they are adopted unless they are told, however, just as much a right as they have to their certificate is just a much a right that they should know they are adopted from the get-go, even if they don't understand what it means. On the flip side, comiing from a parent's point of view you wouldn't want the child to feel unwanted or unloved and spend their life wondering what was wrong with them and in severe cases, wanting to commit suicide. So, on some occasions it is best for the child to not know and not hold ownership of their actual birth certificate.
ReplyDelete@ Stephanie- I agree that a child has a right to know about their family history in order to know who they truely are and where they come from. I also agree that the information should be given when the child is mature enough and ready, however the only problem with that is that although there is a time and place for everything, how will the parents know when the exact right time that is for them to tell the child ? Even people in their twenties act immature, should they wait until the person is in their thirties ? What if the person hasn't matured enough then, should the parents wait until their forties? What if the person decides to adopt children themselves, would you tell them then ? Just a few things to think about .
ReplyDeleteI agree fully with this article. People who were adopted at a young age and have no recollection of who their parents are will forever feel this huge void in their lives. Imagine not knowing who your parents were, not knowing which one you look the most like, and not even knowing their names. There is some type of self identity lost in not knowing this information that many people who were brought up by their birth parents can take for granted. I believe that medical related reasons should be noticed as a higher priority because as over dramatic as it sounds that is a life or death situation. Adoptees should have the right to see their original birth certificates unless otherwise stated by the birth parents, that's just the right thing to do
ReplyDeleteThis whole editorial is like one giant guilt trip. The writer is trying to make you feel so bad that these adopted children don’t have access to certain information. I’m kind of on the fence about this situation. In a way I agree because it is sad that adopted children cannot know who their parents were, but they have loving parents now, why search for the ones who gave them up. The writer says the “nay-sayers” are completely wrong for their belief that some things might go wrong and I disagree. I’m not saying I think there will be this terrible downfall of adoptions and an uprise of abortions, but I do think that if the parents of the child want to stay anonymous they should have the opportunity to do so. Some mothers give a child up for adoption for financial reasons or an unstable home etc., but there are also mothers who have made mistakes and want nothing to do with the child. In any situation, especially the latter, mothers should have the opportunity to be anonymous, even when the child becomes of age.
ReplyDeleteI’m sure it is not always enjoyable when a mother is faced with the child they gave up for adoption and being questioned about why they did it. That is one of the reasons for open and closed adoptions. Giving the name of an adopted child’s birth parent opens a realm of opportunities for the child to find the parent, which in some cases may not be wanted.
I agree that the adopted child should have access to family medical history and things like that but maybe something like that can be set up through the adoption agency where some information can stay private. The child should be able to learn about where they come from but I think it is possible to do that without giving up the parents right to be anonymous.
This issue is as important as any other civil rights issue but it’s also a rather debatable topic. After all America is about freedom and rights and it’s important that everyone, including those who are adopted have rights to their birth certificates but on the other hand it’s also important that the parents have their wishes fulfilled if they want their identity concealed.
ReplyDeleteI feel that adopted people should have rights to their birth certificate. They shouldn’t be deprived of something that most people take for granted. Keeping their birth certificates from them is like trying to keep their identity away from them. Everyone has rights to the knowledge of their background. Its only right that if that information is known, that it be accessible. Perhaps the birth certificate can be altered to reach the demands of the adopted,and the parents.Some information can be included and some left out. That way both can be happy, and the rate of abortion won't be affected either. To fix this issue there must be flexibility.
In Response to Elena:
ReplyDeleteI agree with what you had to say. It isn't a contest to see which group is more important or whose issues seems to be the most prominent one at the time being. People should have the right to see their information if it is set up like that. No matter how small or what group of people are involved in a situation like this they should still have the chance to get what they want. Knowing who your birth parents are is a basic human right that shouldn't be taken away from people.
In Response to Fiona:
I agree with you on that point that if all information can not released due to circumstances such as having the baby due to rape that there medical information should at least be on file and available to the adoptee. Also agree with you on the point that certain reasons that the birth mothers had to give up their children should be taken into consideration. Some reasons are more important than others so they should be treated differently.
Response to Ashley:
ReplyDeleteI really don’t get why someone would commit suicide because they are adopted. I agree that a child may be hurt by the fact that they were given up for adoption but in most cases adopted children have very loving parents and family members and have no reason to feel unloved or neglected. I agree with you that in some cases, for the sake of the adopted child, adoptive parents and birth parents, it only seems right that the child should not have access to the birth certificate. The child seeing the birth certificate can bring about so many problems that can easily be avoided.
Response to Sage:
Even though I don’t fully agree with this article, I also don’t agree that showing the birth certificates will raise the abortion rate. I don’t think that just because their confidentiality may not be guaranteed they would choose abortion. Many women choose adoption for the sole reason that they do not want to have an abortion so I think women’s mindsets won’t necessarily change just because they lose their anonymity.
I don’t agree one bit that you say it is selfish for the birth parent to terminate the right for their child to know who they are. Some women give up their child for the simple fact that they are not wanted. What about the women who were raped and became pregnant. Maybe they chose adoption because they didn’t want to abort the baby, knowing that it’s a living creature. But maybe part of choosing adoption instead of keeping the baby was because the child would be a constant reminder of the incident. Why then should that birth mother have to be faced with the possibility that once the child turns 18 they start looking for them and maybe even find them? If they want nothing to do with the child they shouldn’t have to worry that their identity isn’t protected and this child could show up at their doorstep.
In response to Ashley:
ReplyDeleteNot being able to contact their birth parents might actually make them feel more curious or unwanted because they don't actually know why their parents gave them up for adoption and they don't have a way to find out. If they're able to meet with their birth parents, they might need to prepare themselves for hearing stuff they may no necessarily want to know, but at least they will know. The won't spend the rest of their life wondering about the truth.
It's a ridiculous idea, not letting those who were adopted see their own birth certificates. In all seriousness, those who were adopted should have the right to see their own birth certificates. It's like if someone asks for their social security number, and they get denied. People may want to know who they really are. If they are denied to see the own record of origin, these people may as well live a lie than know the truth. This is America, where everyone sings in the national anthem "land of the free and the home of the brave." All people question sometime in their lives question their background and heritage. This is something all people deserve to know. However, I also pose another view on this situation. Any person who is adopted should be mature enough realize the the truth as to who their true parents were, because the family who gave away their child or weren't able to care for them may have some kind of negative historical background. Some may not be able to handle such knowledge until they are ready. For example, their birth may originate from something like rape or the family before was dysfunctional.
ReplyDeleteIn response to Linh:
I completely agree, identity is something all people value, and should have the right to know their own biological and historical background. The government should always be fair and flexible in situations when it comes to civil rights. Once again I agree with the fact that the original parent may want to keep their identity concealed for a certain purpose. However, any detail pertaining to certain knowledge that would bother the descendant can be omitted, and the adopted can request certain details that he or she would only want to know.
In response to Molly:
I agree with your statement, however, those who were adopted do not need to know such information on their family history, rather they would only want to know what their racial background, birthday (of course, if they have been using the wrong birth date), or something pertaining to their own health. In relation to health, the adopted may want some, not all, information pertaining to their original parents, like medical history that may relate the adopted person.
I agree with this article, that adoptee's should be able to access their birth certificates. I think they should be able to access it when they are of a mature age. If they are too young they might not take it the right way. Although they do have a right to know their culture and origin to have a better understanding of why they look the way they do. You can't deny someone their right to their identity, but on the same note the adoptee can't hold a grudge against their original parents because they didn't want to keep their child. But I agree they should have access at the appropriate way.
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ReplyDeleteI agree with you that this article is a guilt trip. Although this right is denied to adopted children, it makes me feel like a bad person and feel horribly for the adoptees, when really I'm sure their life isn't that bad. However, don't you think that even if the adoption is closed, the adopted child has a right to know who their parents are? They won't necessarily contact them just by knowing their names, and if they do, that is on them, not their "new" parents. A closed adoption is intended for the old parents and new parents, whereas the child can do what they want. If the real parents decide they do not want contact with their child, I think they can say that or just not respond to the child they put up for adoption. However, I think it is still important for the child to be able to know their parents names and have access to their own birth certificate.
When I read this article, the first thing that came to mind was, "what is the point of with holding this information from children that have been adopted?" Although the children have obviously been given up for a reason, it is not necessarily that the children have wanted to, or chosen, to be adopted out to other families. Their access to their own birth certificates can provide vital information about where they come from and who they come from, which can help them identify themselves. Figuring out who you are is one of the most difficult things to discover in your life, and how is a person supposed to do that without knowing where you come from? I think that family is a important thing in a persons life, so if they do not know the names of their own birth parents, it can be difficult to relate to others. Knowing the information on your birth certificate can help a person out in their life a lot. Maybe the adoptee shouldn't be able to see all their medical files, but they should be able to know the names of their parents and know about any medical history that could affect their lives.
ReplyDeleteIn respose to Celia:
ReplyDeleteI agree with you. Adopted children have a disadvantage when learning about their family history. Although they may be included in the history of the family that they are currently living with, it is not the same. Knowing where ones roots come from and stories of families are very crucial to who a person is, and if they wish to access this, I belive they should be able to. Having adoptees see the names of their parents may be enough to help them figure out who they are in life, and give them the same equality of the children who are living with their birth parents.
@Chris -
ReplyDeleteI don't think it should matter how old the child is. One of the first things you learn as a child is your name and your mommy and daddy's names. Honestly, it shouldn't be about keeping secrets and making sure they don’t know the truth. It should be about the fact that information shouldn't be withheld from anyone. Confidentiality is important but if I was adopted and my last name was Lee, I would like to know that I was adopted and that before the adoption my last name was Kumar. One can't assume that because the original names are available that the child will begin a journey to find their true parents. I can say from personal experience having known some people who were adopted that they did wonder what happened to their real parents, but they didn't care to find them because they weren't raised by their original parents. It didn't matter that they were adopted because their new parents still cared for them as if they were their own child. I don't understand why such information would be kept a secret.
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ReplyDeleteRespinse to Merique response:
ReplyDeleteI completely agree with you Merique. It isn't dramatic by you saying its a life or death situation when a medical problem comes up, because in all actuality it is. And for that reason mainly, an adoptee should be entitled to their original birth certificate. I think that those who have no connection to their biological parents do have a void in their hearts that won't be filled until they can meet or just know anything about the people who gave them up.This is important for their recollection of their childhood.
In response to Willie's previous comment to the Giffords article:
ReplyDeleteI agree with you, it's possible that Loughner had a mental problem, and issues. However, it is also true that he didn't have any social issues, and was a completely fine person until he was confined. According to news reports, he didn't act in a very strange way, rather he was just another college student. It's a possibility that he was a politically motivated killer, a person who had an idea that goes against the ideas of Congresswoman Giffords. He maybe wanted to have his voice heard and this may be the only way. However, I do agree that he did go overboard shooting other officials, and a 9-year old child.
I do not believe that adopted children should be allowed to see their original birth certificate no matter what their age. I do believe however that they should be allowed if necessary to know their medical history. Many adoptees want to view their medical history as well as original birth certificate for personally important reasons and some just want to know who their family is to reprimand them for giving them up for adoption. In this case as well as many the bad ruin it for those who want to help better there selves through their past.
ReplyDeleteI also do not feel that this issue, whether or not adoptees should be allowed to view their original birth certificates, is as important as the women’s rights movement or equal rights for African Americans.
I agree with Kristian with the fact that everyone should have the right to his or her own personal information. People like to know who they really are, and they start to find themselves as soon as they hit maturity. It’s not okay to let someone go through life thinking that they are who they are, but when they are really someone else from a different place. Also that the adoptees should be prepared to get rejected or face the fact that their birth parent(s) were not able to care for them in the right way. They need to know that the world isn’t so perfect with loving families all over the world.
ReplyDeleteResponse to Willie
ReplyDeleteThis makes a lot of sense. At a certain age would need your birth certificate to obtain a work permit or a passport. At the very least it should be given to their adoptive parents. The permit will tell them where they were born and who their parents were. If a person does want to meet their birth parents they have every right to do that. Even if they want to simply know who their parents are, they should be able to. Everyone else has a right to their birth certificate and so should adopted children.
@ Malka
ReplyDeleteTo know their birth parents is not going to help a child identify themselves. It will most likely only cause pain on the child if they only want to know their birth parents for a personal use if the parent who obviously gave the child up under what ever circumstances has not contacted the child and does not want to know the child. Also if the parent has moved on or not told the people in their lives now then the child is yet again going to become something that the parent wants to get rid of.
In response to Fiona:
ReplyDeleteI completely agree with her. It is really silly that this is still an issue. Adoptees should not be denied their own valuable personal information. Certainly the mothers should be protected to a certain extent, but that should not involve denying their child of medical history and personal information. I agree that often a mother gives up her child because she is not in a place to raise it. Sometimes adoption policies do not allow mothers to contact their child, but that doesn’t mean the mother doesn’t hope the child will someday find them. There is a difference between protecting one person’s privacy and denying another of their personal history. In this day and age we should be able to figure out a solution that can provide both.
Response to Malka:
ReplyDeleteMalka has a good point in saying one of the most difficult things to discover in life is who you are. Knowing your heritage is important for multiple reasons. For example, on standardized testing there is almost always a box to check for what your race is. Most likely you can rule some out by noting your physical features, but scholarships are available for people of a certain amount of some heritages that may not be so easily identifiable. Some diseases are also more common in some races than others and that is important. If an adoptee has no knowledge of where they came from, it can make it more difficult for them to figure out where they want to go.
Willie Jones III
ReplyDeleteI agree with Nautica because when I first started reading this article I didn’t get what kind of approach they where trying to take. I was stuck between them trying to fight civil rights or fighting for the rights of adoptees to get their birth certificate. I think some children that know their parents don’t ever want to meet them could try to hurt themselves or even hurt others. I do think the abortion rate would increase if mothers didn’t have the outlet to give their child away and not be able to say if they want to ever see them again or not.
I believe that at any age, a child or adult should be able to access their birth certificate. It seems that most people's issue with adoptees seeing their birth certificate is if the parents want to have contact with their children. Obtaining a birth certificate does not equal meeting their parents. If, legally, they are not permitted to meet, then they don't have to meet. Knowing the identity of their birth parents, however, can be a very important thing in an adoptee's life. If they were diagnosed with an illness that could be genetic, they should have a right to their birth certificate. What about travel? How are they supposed to leave the country? Getting a passport without an original birth certificate is extremely difficult as compared to having the birth certificate. There are so many situations that an adoptee might need or deeply want their certificate. It's a part of their identity, and they shouldn't be denied that right.
ReplyDeleteIn response to Malka:
ReplyDeleteI think she makes a valid point. A person’s family history helps define a person’s identity. Therefore it can be really hard for adoptive children growing up. They deserve the chance to learn about where they come from same as anyone else. Even just knowing a name can make all the difference for a person. Maybe even discovering why they were adopted, why their mother didn’t keep them. Adopted children often feel abandoned and have trouble relating to others. If they know that they were loved it really can make all the difference. It has nothing to do with how much a person loves their adoptive parents; it’s simply that they need to know where they come from.
I agree with Ashley, that I’m 50-50 about this situation. People do have a right to their own personal information; it’s obviously theirs and nobody should have a say of to what to do with that person’s background. The adoptive parents have to find the right time to tell their child that they were adoptive, because they have a right to know; especially when they start to ask questions like “how come I don’t look like you?” or “how come I don’t act like you?”. Then again if we were in the parents position, they wouldn’t want the child to feel like crap or that nobody loved them. However the child should know the truth, which is that their birth parents couldn’t properly care for them and that their adoptive parents love them with all their heart as their own child.
ReplyDeleteIn response to Ashley,
ReplyDeleteI agree with Ashley its hard to pick a side in story like this. The child has the right to get there birth certificate and the parents also have a duty to protect there kids when they are older and don't understand when they begin to wonder about there parents. I'm glad my mommy never gave me up......THANK YOU JESUS
@ Chris
ReplyDeleteI do not believe that age should factor in to whether or not adoptees are able to view their original records. Age is nothing but a number in many peoples cases. Many people do not mature by their age number but by their experiences and many times not even that. Also many adoptees will not know whether or not they are going to hold a grudge against their birth parents until they meet them and learn why they were adopted and not contacted by their parents as they grew up.
in response to Elaine:
ReplyDeleteadopted children want to know their biological parents not only to find out the circumstances they were put up for adoption. True, I could have been put up for adoption because my mother didn't want to deal with me or was just too lazy to care for another child. But I assume the best out of my mother. I believe that she did it so that I would have a better life somewhere else in the world. I do not believe that a mother could live a life without a son that she gave up and NOT think about the child every day. A mother will worry about their child even if they never got to know their child, simply because the child was created from the mother. There is a bond there that cannot be broken. Knowing who my mother is and what she looks like will bring me so much personal confirmation, even if she never wants to see me again. At least I will have answers to the biggest of my life's questions.
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ReplyDelete@marina, I think it takes a level of maturity to handle information of that magnitude that a young child can't handle. First they need to be able to handle realizing that for one reason or another their original parents couldn't keep them, whether it was too early in their life for a child, or whatever. I feel that personally I wouldn't want to learn that news hastily. Therefore thats why I feel the news and birth certificate and SSN should wait a little while when the child can fully understand and it is up to the adopted parents to figure out when this time is right. Which would make the age different for every adoptee because people mature differently.
ReplyDeleteAlso, like I said earlier, having legal documents about your birth and origins have always made me feel like a commodity. I was purchased. I came with a price. my parents paid for me. For someone to hold documents that pertain to my life and my personal journeys and my own identity is the one of the most cruel things I have heard. I don't feel good.
ReplyDeleteSEBASTIAN WROTE THIS**
ReplyDeleteThe subject lacks the entity to capture my attention. I see the "big deal" people are making, and since i'm not a orphan i know i cant think negative. Yes. if i was an orphan i would spit in the face of someone denying me to know rightfully what is mines. It is a sort of uncivil action, but not merely as important or widely noticed as the woman's suffrage movement or equal rights for African Americans. I truly don't see why the Government would hold Orphans back from knowing their origins and biological parents. This is a case where the Government is taking their power for granted, and this calls for reform. REFORM PEOPLE REFORM! but don't go and shoot a senator in the head.
The reasons given to why the birth certificates are not shown are just down right stupid, and ignorant. The ONLY contreversal subject is the abortion rate. Which at the end should be decided by the parent, The person who at the end of the day is going to have to live, and live life with what ever action was taken. Let that be their problem not everyone else's. People really should take take all 7 million of these orphans and push for this inconvenient law.
I STRONGLY AGREE WITH (TYRESE)..
ReplyDelete@louis I agree it is rather frustrating for you not to view your birth certificate, but on the other hand do you agree with me when i saw, that the adoptee may not be able to handle the news at a young age. But now that you are old enough and mature enough and you want to see the records. This is the point I am trying to make, when adoptee's obtain the mentality that Louis has now he/they can view their records. Louis' maturity level, not age proved to his parents that he could learn of his adoption at around age 5, but for other adoptee's they might not have the maturity level of Louis until years later
ReplyDeleteShanay made a valid point in saying that a birth certificate is important for adoptees especially in cases of children with health issues and disabilities. Is having ownership of your necessary for the survival of an adoptee? I think so. Having or not having your birth certificate can determine how you live whether it’s for simple life tasks like passports, college, license etc. It can even be a major factor in one’s personality whether they are often depressed, extremely happy, or a people person. Some people really need to know where they come from in order to live happy lives, they have to feel that gap. I agree with Medina its crazy what we take for granted. But imagine if we were the ones deprived of seeing our birth certificate. How would we feel? That’s why I completely agree with Bonita it does seems a bit absurd that they would deny them that right in the first place.
ReplyDeleteI also I agree with Fiona when she said, “It is morally wrong and extremely self-centered to bring a child into this world just to save yourself the guilt, if you choose not even to offer something as small as your name to them.” However I disagree that just because they were self-centered they shouldn’t be given the right of privacy. Whether for self-centered or for financial needs the child is benefited when they are given up for an adoption because otherwise they wont know what real love is because the parents will resent them because they were never wanted in the first place. But overall I think a compromised should be reached because children deserve a right to know their source of origin but mother deserve to keep some sense of privacy if they request it.
Response to Celia
ReplyDeleteI agree, people who are adopted are the ones that most need their birth certificate. They need to know the things that their adoptive parents are unable to tell them. For each situation it’s going to be different not all parents want to be involved with the kids they put up for adoption but some of them do so it’s wrong that things aren’t more flexible to meet the desires of each person. This assumption makes it so that the person’s information wouldn’t be revealed them but it’s the rights of the person whether or not they want to know.
Micah Beckman – Leopold
ReplyDeleteThe idea that any group in this day and age be disallowed to any privilege that is granted to any other group is an outrage. While gays still fight for their own personal rights I will not address that issue and go off on a tangent about it right now. Back to the question at hand, those who are adopted should certainly be entitled to any questions that they feel they would like to know about their past. Although some of the mothers who put their children up for adoption would like to stay apart from their children’s life as they undoubtedly don’t wish to have to revisit the hardship of giving up a child the fact remains that the adopted children have a right as any of us do to know about their family tree (their blood family).
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ReplyDeleteIn response to Louis…
I truly feel for you because you know firsthand what it is like to experience this. It’s unfair that you can’t have the same treatment as everyone else. I see no difference between you and me so if I can access my birth certificate I see no problem in you being able to have yours. I have a few friends that are adopted as well and haven’t been able to blend into society very well and struggle a lot and obviously you haven’t had that problem. You should feel lucky to have gotten good parents because many adoptees aren’t as fortunate. I feel for you in your longing for your blood relatives and hope that maybe one day you guys will reunite.
In response to Bonita:
ReplyDeleteI agree when you say that it should be a right to the child to know who their birth parents are even if they do not want them to know. How can you deny a child their right to know how they came to be ENTIRELY? Even being raised in a loving environment to adoptive parents, the child is likely to at least want to know who his or her parents are, just as a curiosity at least.
Chris makes a valid point. You don't want a child to go through excessive trauma and guilt and then live their lives in confusion. Of course people have the right to their information, but because we live in such a corrupt nation, it seems like people spend an eternity to get a loaf of bread (metaphorically speaking). Grudges will never go away, and they will remain there. Look at all the people who end up going on talk shows disrespecting their parents for leaving them. It is ok to be angry at someone but have a level of maturity, which is another good point you brought up.
ReplyDeleteSebastian also brings up the fact that it should be up to the parent's decision about abortions. People SHOULD live their lives and let everyone care less. This goes back to what Chris said and is tied to what Sebastian is bringing up; the government is messed up, we all know that, and because it is, we cannot go to severe extremes (i.e. killing somebody) just to get our point across. It works, but there is a price you must pay.
@sebastian
ReplyDeleteThe point made is valid and the government clearly is not giving the attention due to these people, but perhaps the true culprit of this is us a culture as we have not brought to the forefront in the way that it really should be. Although in regards to what sebastian says about orpans and their rights not being as a major as minorities or women i have to disagree. While the latter groups engulfed much more people their rights were still being infringed upon so i think orphans should still be given the same respect as african americans and women.
The right to know where you come from, and who you originally are, is a birthright that should be given equally to every living being who questions it. Especially a child who has no original parents to inform them, such as adoptees. Also to view this situation in a mental state, a child who's original parents left them or couldnt sustain a childbearing lifestyle, may feel forgotten or left behind. So overall knowing where you came from and who you were meant to be can give a sense of comfort and gratitude. pertaining to Luis i dont beleive he should feel hurt. Part of the legal system in adopting a foreign child is having to pay a large amount of money to help protect the child from child trafficking rings and just all around sickos. And i disagree with elaine in that adopted children should not be able to see their original birth certificate. They are human beings such as any other child and when they come of legal age they have the right decision whether or not to see their origninal name and place of birth. in many cases it brings comfort to adopted children in my knowledge to know, possibly their mother couldnt keep the child due to financial issues and just wanted to provide a better life for her child.
ReplyDelete@Medina
ReplyDeleteI, too, never assumed that the right to see a birth certificate was deprived from anyone, or that I should consider this right a luxury. Like a lot of civil rights issues, the "average" person doesn't think about it and takes it for granted because it's always been something present in their lives. Coming from someone that lives happily with her biological parents, I am outraged that people are deprived of this right.
@ louis
ReplyDeletelouis clearly brings a much more personal note to this whole thing as he was truly adopted although it must be kept that he is only one person who is adopted and others will have a different view on the issue. the idea of thinking that someone paid for you and you are a commodity must be a very difficult thing to come to terms with.
For Merique:
ReplyDeleteAlthough in my response to this article I said that I felt the child should not be permitted to have access to their birth certificate, I think that you have a good point. They should be able to know their medical history, because that is very important to their health. Also, the adoptee should have the adoption papers so they know the reason they were given up. Also, I agree, if the adoption is closed then the child should not have a right but if it is open, they do.
For Rachel:
For the issue of a passport or driver's licence the issue would arrise for say a driver's licence/permit because the child is not yet 18 but the adoptee's parents could just give the document to the person issueing the card. For the passport if it's before the age of 18 then the same thing could be done. After 18 though, that child can go ahead and get their birth certificate and be able to get the passport.
Response to Justin:
ReplyDeleteI agree that every child has the right to know where they came from but the entire idea of adoption is based on leaving where you came from because where you came from obviously wasn't doing too well for you. If they can access their birth certificates then they can find out who their parents are and that is something that the parents most likely don't want.
Response to Rachael
ReplyDeleteI agree, if it’s part of their identity then they should be able to access any information that they want as long as it’s okay with the biological parents. Even if it’s not, they should still be able to access at least some of their information. Aside from traveling issues and such there is also the issue of self-fulfillment. Without this certificate there’s something missing and the questions of who they are before they were adopted will be lingering in the back of their minds. Everyone has questions that they want answered. Maybe the parents want to contact their child at some point in life, you never know, so it’s best to let the biological parents and/or child decide. Everyone’s situation is different so it’s impossible to have the same one solution for everyone.
Personally, I am stuck in the grey area of this topic. I believe that the children should have the ability to access their original certificate, if they choose to. None of us know what the kids have gone through nor will go through. One should have the ability to their original certificates though, if they would actually like to learn about their family history and what not.
ReplyDeleteThis is a really difficult topic as everyone has a right to know their own personal history. On the other hand if the birth mother made the decision to restrict the child’s access we have to consider what that reason could’ve been. Perhaps the mother was sexually assaulted or 16 and knew that she could not provide the appropriate care the child would need. These kinds of circumstances should be taken into account as they could significantly damage the emotional state of the child. Women who choose to give up their child should be allowed to restrict their identity in order to protect the emotional state of everyone involved (the child, adoptive parents etc.).
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ReplyDeleteI agree that every one has the right to know their past because your heritage sometimes does make who you are. I feel strongly that some parents are too selfish to tell their adopted child because they might want to keep it a secret. All of my post has been agreeing that everyone should know who they are and it starts by knowing where you come from and it should come out at a right time.
It’s really hard to respond to something like this because you have to think of everyone involved. That means the child, the parent, and the foster parents. In the case of the parent, I can understand why they wouldn’t want their child to know why they were given up. Naturally, they would have many questions and probably have some sort of emotion about the situation. The parent might not want to have to explain all of this and might actually feel ashamed of what they did. On the other hand, if the parent matures and actually wants to find their child…the child may not want to be found, or the foster parents may not want the parent to find the child. I personally believe that the child has the right to know who their birth parents are because I would want to know if I were them. Either way, if you are going to have sex, use a condom and/or some sort of birth control PLEASE!! Then you wont have to be in this situation.
ReplyDeleteI believe that anyone should be able to access any of his or her personal history. It is important for anyone to get to know who they are and all the history they need behind them. There should be no discriminating because someone is adopted. It was not their choice to get adopted, so they should be able to get their original certificates. They should have the same rights as people who are not adopted. I find it very unfair for that person. This should not even be an issue in our society because it is something that can be easily prevented.
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Like gay marriage or the right to an abortion, this topic is one that it may easy to pass as unimportant. Judgement can be easily passed on those who fight for any side of the issue. But just like the two other issues stated before, the rights of those adopted is something that people who have not been adopted cannot have a say on. As much as they say that they have studied psychology reports, or can understand the hardships or whatnot-they can't. Just like those who say that gay people's love for their significant other cannot compare to that of a straight couple. You and I, unless adopted, cannot understand the importance of understanding where we come from. And like this argument says, knowing where we come from sometimes can be life saving. By knowing where to find organs that match ours, genetic disorders or whatnot.
ReplyDeleteKnowing ones own family history and being able to attain documents that might help someone is imperative and shouldn't even be an issue. Its a given, and all those adopted should not have to fight for this right.
The adoptees right to their original birth certificate is justified. Despite the birth parents reason for putting the child up for adoption, the child should be automatically endowed with this right of knowing. The arguments against it are unfeeling, seeing as the majority of the people are just trying to prevent contact. The motives of the adoptees vary but this information should be made available for them. A happy medium can be achieved by offering the option for the real parents to opt to either allow or discourage contact. This article is correct in stating that it is an issue of basic human rights.
ReplyDelete@ Rachel- I agree that "adoptee's" as you put it, should have a right to their birth certificate and the names of his/her birth parents. Simply because they have this information at hand, doesn't necessarily mean that the birth parents and child HAVE to meet, but oftentimes, for the sake of the child, they may very well want to. In this case, its a 50/50 chance that the child may either end up brutally hurt, emotionally, and may cause problems throughout their lives, however on the other hand, simply knowing about their past can bring closure to a child. I also agree with the fact that it is highly difficult to obtain a passport without an original birth certificate, from personal experience.
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ReplyDeleteI totally agree with you. We as outsiders looking in have no idea what the circumstances were that led up to the adoption. If it came down to giving the child a better life, then it makes sense. Honestly I don’t think it is okay if you are able to give your child a good life but you choose not to. To me that is a copout. I think that if you should take care of your responsibilities and if that means another life, then so be it. However I do believe that it is better than abortion. I completely oppose it and if someone had the choice between that and adoption, I believe that they should choose adoption.
In Response to Adrianna:
ReplyDeleteEven if the mother had been assaulted and a child had been born from that attack, she is giving that child away which means that she should not have any control over what happens to that child and she has no control over how the child is raised or what they can and can't know. I don't think that the child's emotional state would be endangered just because the name of their real mother is written on a piece of paper. Even if things were to remain as they are and the names of the true parents were kept confidential, it should be up to the adoptive parents to be able to access that information or for the children to be able to access it themselves. Whether the child wishes to know why they were put up for adoption or not, the story behind why they were given up isn't directly linked to a name. No birth certificate will be printed saying "Jane Smith: Birth Mother (Abandoned her child because the child was the result of rape). Unless the child seeks out the information, there would be no damage to their emotional state for them or for the adoptive parents.
Response to Jazz:
ReplyDeleteI totally agree with you! But I believe regardless of the situation someone should know why they were given up as a child. I think that when they get into a mature age and can handle something like these so deep they should be able to find out. If you are willing to know the real reasons to why you were given up, it is definitely important for you to know. If I was given up for adoptions I would want to know who my biological parents were and I would wan to meet them if it was comfortable with them.
-Shana Harris
Another angle to look at this is whether allowing the birth certificate to be open to the adoptee may possibly create a dysfunctional home, in the adoption home. Let’s say the scenario is that the parents were finally able to have access to their adopted child’s birth certificate, but decides to not directly present it to them at first. The only reason why they can come hesitant is because of the fact that maybe revealing their child’s past will cause the child to strip away from their adoption home. Despair, stress, aggrevation will fill the minds of the adoptees parents as they contemplate on whether they should expose their child past, which will most defiantly effect the future. Then again what if one parent agrees on confessing to the birth certificate while the other doesn’t? That will also cause disruption in the household
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ReplyDeleteI agree that perhaps some of the thoughts surrounding this law have good intentions. Not every parent who gives up their child wants to have to face an unhappy child that was given up, or have to explain and revisit a troubling topic that they forgot about long ago. If adopted people are able to access their birth certificate there should be some type of way for mothers (or fathers even) to ask to not be contacted. Perhaps over time if the parents change their mind, an agency to reconnect the families who overtime came to realize they needed security and assurance that they did the right thing.
It's a tough topic from any side. And the mother's discomfort about the topic may not be worth the child dying over some genologic health problem that could have been cured.
To Adrianna
ReplyDeleteI agree with you that it is a difficult topic, its all or nothing. I do disagree with giving the power one hundred percent to the mothers. Reasons for giving up your child for adoption can be because of very hard issues, which can make the relationship between adopted children and birth parents hard. But I think the power can not all go to one side of this argument, neither the adopted children or the birth parents. I think what needs to happen is there needs to be a middle ground where both can have their needs met. But that is easier said then done.
I agree with this article, its sad that people cant see their birth certificates and especially when they were born in the greatest country in the world . I thought if a child was in the system then the adoptive parents would get their birth certificates or some kind of paper containing the child’s information. If the birth parents don’t want to be contacted then they should state that or make that known during the adoption process. At least make it possible for them to have access to their background or documents since you wont have nothing to do with there lives.
ReplyDeleteAdopted people should have access to their birth certificates its theirs, they're unique to that person and can help them answer questions about their past. I couldnt imagine growing up without my birthmother, Adoptees grow up wit a mother figure, someone as a substitute because for what ever reason their birthmother couldnt take care of or care for them. that takes a lot of courage for someone to take responsibility of a less fortunate child and give them an opportunity of a life time. but if they want to know of their true parents i believe its their right to know, and their parents that have been caring for them as they grew up are obligated to respect that decision.
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ReplyDeleteI agree that everybody should have the ability to view his or her own birth certificates. And to those who have are not adopted and never even thought of this kind of situation. The hard part of this discussion though is that no one can ever know the extent of the millions of different situations that may arise. The mothers that have chosen to give away their child to another family have obviously done this for a specific reason and the anonymity that they are provided with is most likely for some reason. I’m not sure exactly what I believe at this point but I feel that your won parents are something sacred and should not be hidden.
Response to Micah
ReplyDeleteI agree! Gays go and protest for their rights, so I believe that people that are adopted should fight for their rights to know their personal history. I do understand that many mothers who choose adoptions have many personal problems behind their decision and they may not want to have any contact with their child in the future because they may be ashamed. Any mothers who are willing to get involved with their children in the future are responsible and great to me. It shows that they can be strong after all the hard struggle and decisions they made.
-Shana Harris
To Katie Q
ReplyDeleteI agree with you, that adopted children should be able to attain their birth certificates. I think the areas around adoption are hard, when a birth mother does a closed adoption neither can the child attain information, but it is just as difficult for a birth mother to learn about her child. I think adopted children have a right to know something everyone else knows. But I do think that the mothers need to be thought about as well, making the decision difficult.
in response to morghann :
ReplyDeletei agree with you for the simple reason that could be one of the main reasons as to why the parents hesitates to reveal the birth certificate but i also believe another reason for them doing that is maybe the child might have built a resentment towards the birth parents for waiting so long to show them and for even giving them up in the first place , that could also cause more stress in an already difunctional home.
Response to Louis:
ReplyDeleteI really appreciate having a response from someone who has first hand experience on this topic. It is really tough that people have to live bound by decisions that lawmakers made (who probably weren't adopted, and don't fully understand the psychological issue). And although people who are adopted can find a family with those that they spend their life with, actually knowing more about their origins and actual blood relatives could be life changing. Perhaps changing this law could do more than just helping adoptees understand more about things such as diseases that run in the family, but also find comfort in learning about their family, and help these people feel less like commodities- having the same rights and respect that others do.
In response to Taaqia
ReplyDeleteI think you make a very good point when you said that they could disclose family history info and other details that could help the adoptee but not give too much information away. For the issue of adoption the article states that some adoptees want information on their birth parents for medical reasons and things like that. If that is the case then the government should have away to disclose personal information to the adoptee without revealing the identity of the birth parents. There should be loopholes and exceptions in which some of the confidential information is shared with the adoptee, if and only if it benefits the adoptee in ways of health and such.
It is confusing to me why adults who were adopted children are unable to obtain their original birth certificates. It seems as though it’s commonsense one should be able to know their original, “true” identity. Imagine if the president was known to be adopted, wouldn’t his original birth certificate be demanded for proof of his citizenship and birth in the US? Why would the government deny anyone their original birth certificate, even if he or she is adopted? Those who are adopted and want to find out about their original parents have that right to at least know their names. Its important to know our heritage; isn’t that a reason why history is enforced in our education systems? It seems as though it is a simple right that should not be of controversy.
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ReplyDeleteI agree with the idea that both sides must be flexible. People will never come to an agreement if each is too stubborn to compromise. As for maintaining the parent’s wishes I disagree. The birth parents aren’t really the adopted child parents anyway. In most cases they are raised by another set of people, so that moral and tradition of respecting parents wishes is skewed in this situation.
In response to Brianna,
I agree with you but I just think if the birth parents were allowed to screen selective information they would most likely choose to remove their name. By doing this original certificate seems pointless. Pertaining to this issue id allow the real parents to maybe withhold their own personal information like address ect. from the adoptee or have it noted that they don’t want contact.
Response to CADY!!
ReplyDeleteI think that what is dividing people on this subject is whether the parents should have the ability to decide for the rest of their child life if they should have contact. You believe that it is up to the parents and their wishes should be respected. Since there is a choice of whether it is an open or closed adoption I start to feel comfortable with the idea of the mother having the ultimate decision. But at the same time I think about my own family and my parents and can imagine a just young adult wondering where exactly he or she came from and their past. It would have to be a very difficult situation. But then again I am not in this situation and maybe knowing this would be more difficult after living your life with a family that is your own even if you are not blood related.
in response to jazzi :
ReplyDeletei totally agree with you and adrianna about how we dont know whats going on with their situation and were outsiders only looking and judging on what little information we know. personally adoption is good ONLY if its the last resort but to some its an easy way out of handling their responsibilities , abortion should never be an option but like those who choose to give their children up for adoption , its the only way.
In response to Dominique: I agree that there should be some boundaries set if the mother or father dont want to be contacted, but that could also mess with their child, what if you were adopted and then you found out your birth parents dont want anything to do with you. that could really mess with someones head and confuse them even more, possibly cause depression and other health issues.
ReplyDeleteIn response to Morghan: I dont know if the child knowing about their past and true parents would mess with them that bad if they were young. I think the parents should wait until the kid is at least 18 before showing them their birth certificate so that they could decide wether they wanted to check up on it and try to clear up some questions with their birth parents. or to just have them decide they want to just keep going and live life as they have for most of their life with out their birth parents.
Response to Morghann:
ReplyDeleteIt was a very hard decision and you bring up a good point. I know for a fact that if I had a child right now I could not give him/her a good life. I am entirely too young and I have a lot more of my life to live. At the same time, I feel that when the child becomes mature enough they deserve the right to know their history and to know an explanation. I know I would want that. So I guess you were right, there is absolutely no way to tell for sure. Its just based on what you believe and I believe that everyone has a right to know where he or she came from.
As Nicholas M. Butler once said "Necessity does the work of courage"
ReplyDeleteAn really and truly, this stuff takes courage, what ever the circumstances may be for that particular family, i believe that they shall be able to decide what the proper procedure should be done, in order to make that child more beneficial without stopping his or hers world from becoming less of what it is. It's funny it kind of brings you back on what the main purpose of life is? Like all throughout that child life do u really believe their main goal is to find their mother or father, to be the president, to research allah? I mean its no telling what this kids intentions are so we can't speak for them and their family because we are not them. Personally i believe i ran out of things to say on this matter....hmmm?
In response to Sara Dill:
ReplyDeleteI like your view point as it is more personal and relates to the victims of this controversy. I like that you point out it’s impossible for people who have not experienced the desire to know one’s blood mother and father to recognize the significance, because you’re exactly right. Its impossible to relate to something you have no idea about. I don’t know if I would say that it is an issue as controversial or of importance as Gay Rights or the right to abortion, because it is simple common sense. As a citizen of this country, you should have the right to view your birth certificate.
Response to Willie
ReplyDeleteI totally agree with what your saying. When I first read the article I felt that adopted children have an entitlement to their birth certificates. One of the things I also listed was that they have to be of age. I agree with this because younger children can cause a lot of chaos so they have to be mature enough to handle having that information. It is true many adopted children end up feeling a sort of emptiness because they don’t know many things about themselves. Such as, why they have a certain eye color, or curly hair or even what their parents names were. It is wrong to keep this very crucial and important information from people, especially since most adoptee parents don’t share this information.
Response to Nita
ReplyDeleteAll I can say is what your saying is so true. This shouldn’t even be an issue because people have the right to have their birth certificates and the fact that people are withholding this information from them is absolutely ridiculous. I understand that the birth parents have a right to secrecy but their needs to be some sort of compromise. Some adopted kids grow up feeling confused not knowing whom they truly are or feeling there is a gap that needs to be filled. Who are we to take this human right from them? Who are we to say that they can t know information about themselves because they were adopted. It wasn’t there choice to be adopted so why should they have to pay.
Response to Sage
ReplyDeleteI agree with what Sage has said because it would be very selfish on the mothers part to keep fundamental information especially regarding the child's medical and cultural background. This information could potentially have a great impact on the child in the way they view their self and how they belong in the world.
Response to Katie Q
ReplyDeleteI think that you are right that the biological parents should definitely have a choice to "opt out" of releasing their information, however when the child becomes older they may need information to be able to know who they are, in turn they would need to know something not all personal details stating why things turned out the way that they did. And even when they are younger some medical or genealogical information might be required in medical emergencies. The parents should have a say in the most personal information however some things need to be shared for the better of that child.
I believe that adopted children should have the right to see their birth certificates. Yet I believe that situational ethics should be taken into account when making the decision. Everyone has a different adoption story and there are legitimate reasons why restricting the birth certificate from the adopted child's view may be beneficial. I also believe that the parents who are receiving the child should be able to make the decision of when to show the child the birth certificate.
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ReplyDeleteI agree with Tyrese that this is a very hard topic to make a decision about because there are so many different stories and situations to take into account. How can someone make the decision for a young child whether they will be able to see their birth certificate or not?
resonse to Shanay:
ReplyDeleteI agree with Shanay that the right of the adopted child definitely should have a right to seeing their birth certificate. If this right was restricted, then what would be the point of making this country so free and making is so that people can make their own decisions. I believe in any stable home, adopted kids will be supported and when they receive the information that they have another set of parents basically, it will be accepted. It is hard to say though, because everyone responds to situations differently.
I agree with Sara Dill in that it is hard to speak on a topic that we haven’t really experienced. All we can do is attempt to look at it from an adoptee’s perspective. And I can only imagine being on my deathbed with my life resting in the hands of the unknown. By denying one the right to their birth certificate you are ultimately denying them life and contradicting their birth parent(s) wish in a sense. If my parent wanted me dead she would have gotten an abortion. But if I’m suffering medically and the only person that can help me is my biological family but I can’t find them because I can’t access my birth certificate you’re leaving me to die. Also parents typical put their children up for adoption because they can’t provide them with the life they believe they deserve. But if their life is full of yearning to know who they are and where they come from and your denying them the right to find out is that really better? A life of uncertainty isn’t better.
ReplyDeletein response to Elena,
ReplyDeleteI agree with you one-hundred percent. I believe that when the adoptees become adults, they should have access to their original birth certificates. People become curious and want to know their backgrounds. I have been one of those people, but I have not been so successful with it because my grandad was adopted.
In response to corinne,
I also agree with what you said about restricting the certificate because it may be beneficial. I also agree that they new parents of the child should determine when the child has access or right to see it.
I do believe that `a child should know who their birth parents are, but it should be up to the parents who have custody of the children to decide rather or not the child can have contact with their birth parents. That’s just me, both points are very valid and I would honestly understand why someone would want to argue against me opinion. When it becomes a medical issue the child definitely deserves to know because it can have a great negative effect on the child’s life. I also believe it’s irresponsible to want to keep contact with your child after you put them up for adoption, its either you raise them or you don’t.
ReplyDeleteBoston:
ReplyDeleteMy partner in crime, we think so much alike. Everyone should have their rights to their birth certificates. I think it’s inhumane to deny someone access to their own property. If someone is going to take you in to their family then there decisions should very much be respected. If a child wishes to see their birth parents than no one should be able to tell them that there unable to do so
Responce to Celia
ReplyDeleteI agree with u, people should make wanting to see there birth certificates a personal thing. They should be hidden untill the child becomes of age to explore themselves, untill then theryre life should be lived without contact or knowing twho the birth parent is.
Every one has the right to know who they really are. It’s wrong to hold personal information like that. Why grow up and wonder who you really are or. Wonder if it’s really your birthday. Every child should have the right to their birth certificate when they grow up. Every one is born with the same equal rights. What would the reason be for not giving you your birth certificate it’s yours? Some times laws/ rules can be pretty ridiculous sometimes. Its very important to know all your important info, and to know who your birth parents are I mean I would be pretty pissed if I couldn’t get my birth certificate. Because I would want to find my parents and ask why was I adopted. Things like your birth certificate shouldn’t be with held from you. This topic is bananas!
ReplyDeleteI totally agree with chris! how can people hold information like this i mean you need your birth certificate for almost every thing. every body has the same rights. yea i agree on the fact that until they reach a certain age then they can access this info but with holding it for ever is just wrong.
ReplyDelete@ sara i agreee with you on the fact mabe its not a good idea to give out all the info on their child hood or why they were adopted. sometimes things are better left unsaid.
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